From Pine View Farm

Political Discourse and Why It’s Off-Course 2

Some thoughts from the Demon Princess(emphasis added):

Once upon a time long ago, I was visiting Western Germany, & one of my hosts asked me (an Irishwoman, & in all sincerity), “What is the difference between your liberals & your conservatives in America?” I had to admit then, “Not much,” with a laugh, but that was some time ago, & I no longer think it’s a wryly amusing matter.

The question was prescient.

In fact, I now think that our complacence as liberals & our willingness to tolerate the pernicious effect of corporate money in politix as well as our inattention to other matters such as how easy it is otherwise to jerry-rig voting machines, & to jerrymander voting districts, has come back to bite our asses, big time.

Worse, & I hate to even think it, much less say it out loud ~ our high level of tolerance & blind adherence to 18th Century Enlightenment principles, based on calm, rational discussion & belief that if we provide a “marketplace of ideas” and conduct ourselves appropriately, “the truth will out,” and a sort of rational sanity will prevail.

That was before the Neocons snuck up on us, consolidating their power slowly, & now, in the full flower of the Bush years, our own liberal brand of tolerance has allowed the rabid neo-cons to storm us like the radical bunch of Berserkers they are, hell bent on undermining every legal underpinning of democracy here at home and wreaking untold havoc on the rest of the world.

The problem is that the “marketplace of ideas” paradigm only functions well where accurate information is shared in transparent fashion. We’re fed only propaganda, shallow jingoism, lies, distortions & cover-ups, & it’s getting mighty hard to defend our core principles in the face of all that noise.



  1. Opie

    November 5, 2007 at 8:38 pm

    This person has obviously been fed propaganda, shallow jingoism, lies, distortions & cover-ups, and without access to the facts cannot be trusted to arrive at a rational conclusion.

    I mean, really, how can someone act like liberals have real answers and conservatives are just evil, and then complain about “jingoism?” If jingoism is the attitude of saying that your country is always right to the point of irrationalism, what is saying liberalism is inherently right and conservatism is evil?

  2. Demon Princess

    December 12, 2007 at 2:17 am


    Go back to drinking the the neocon Koolaid and shredding the Constitution. Leave the thinking to the those of us who are not blind.